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2007.01.07

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Lee Weinstein

I agree that politeness if over-rated. I think it is also frequently a word used to describe what is really a weakness that comes from fear of addressing an issue. Perhaps if we don't have our mouth guard ready for a rumble, we wind up needing to use it later for tooth grinding.

Carleen

I know I'm a little late here, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate this post. It's been awhile since I've read something so "smart" and honest on a blog.

Jenica

The OPAC as unit of suck made me spit tea on my computer, and, dammit, I already took it apart once to dry it off from the Diet Coke incident.

Y'all are awesome.

Juniorette

Here, here! Way to stick it to the man.

Yes, I finally got around to reading this. Hurrah.

joshua m. neff

I won't be at Midwinter either. But we should all log into Skype or something at the same time and share a drink. It'll be Drinking 2.0!

rochelle

Aside from the banter from the Smartass Brigade (which I treasure in a different way), I can't tell you how much I value the conversation going on here and elsewhere. What I value above all is hearing from people who haven't commented here before, and who I didn't know before this exchange. It's fattened my Bloglines account quite a bit! --rochelle

Steve Lawson

I won't be at Midwinter, I'm afraid. I'll have to drink by myself. Which sucks.

rochelle

Okay...who here in the Smartass Brigade is going to be at Midwinter? Drinks are on me. Well...as long as we're at a free reception.

Steve Lawson

Dorothea, I have people in the lab working on that right now. It is dangerous work, with a high burnout rate.

I can tell you that we have determined a few relative values. For example, Flickr has .06 OPAC of suckitude, the NCSU catalog has .6 OPAC of suckitude, OpenWorldCat .72 OPAC , while a default CONTENTdm installation actually has 1.8 OPAC.

I'm seeking grant funding at the moment.

Dorothea

Wow. We have a new unit for suckitude: the OPAC. Steve, how is this unit calibrated? How much suck is there in one OPAC? Ten OPACs? A hundred OPACs?

Not meaning to derail the conversation... just highly amused!

Karen, I wish I didn't think you were right... but I do think you're right. Sigh.

moonflowerdragon

I enjoyed your linking of polite, too polite and effete to point out the potential risks of politeness.

My 9yo son described to me last night his own dislike of polite responses to his works - I think most of us would have felt it first as young children.

So I felt very interested when I noticed here and there in your post some of what I think is needed. Marshall Rosenberg's first labelled it for me: compassion.

Although Merriam-Webster's definition is:
"sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it" that definition lacks the to me obvious inclusion of 'and a desire to not cause it'.

Marshall Rosenberg's language of compassion (open-hearted objective listening to feelings and needs and requesting rather than demanding) is how honest criticism or commentary or even praise can be contributed without carelessly creating hurt. (Maybe we don't have to armour up or be willing to get bloody to be part of making a difference).

I think it sucks is like that's really nice - on its own non-constructive. When you said "I want to see a furrowed brow and a red pen and I want to hear an honest response." It seemed to me that you were saying 'whether it sucks or is great please show me how'.

sucks is graphic and emotional (much as really nice is a little more emotional than nice), and they're both brief. So if I try for empathy I'll guess that the writer or speaker who says either is possibly wanting to express a positive or negative emotionally, and may be choosing brevity for some reason (like a blog post highlighting a different point).

If I empathise for the person who thinks the word 'sucks' is unprofessional I'd guess that maybe the critic values constructive specifics in criticism. Or s/he might value non-emotive language in professional commentary.

Luckily on the internet, unlike in speech, brief non-constructive provocative or emotionally suggestive words on side-line topics don't have to be left non-constructive - we can hyperlink them to a more detailed online source.

K.G. Schneider

When I used the word suck, I got taken to task. Now Meredith has as well. But Andrew Pace started it. Why hasn't he been taken to task? Because he's a guy. That's why. (I don't think he'd disagree.) It's not a plea for politeness, it's some dude with an issue with uppity women. And that's my impolite assessment, un-wanker to un-wanker!

Steve Lawson

Just so you know I'm not just a smartass, I wrote a longer reply to this post on my blog.

"I didn't become a librarian so I could be an effete wanker." There are so many places one could go with that sentence.

Oh, and joshua's comment sucks. It sucks big fat OPACs.

joshua m. neff

This post sucked.

(Can I be a member of the Smartass Brigade now, too?)

But seriously, I agree with you. That comment on Meredith's blog sounded like a plea for effeteness, and I didn't become a librarian so I could be an effete wanker. (I became a librarian to chew bubblegum and kick ass ...and I'm all out of bubblegum. Ahem.)

Josh

Here here. I have been lurking for some time but wanted to offer my support of this sentiment. I read several articles this weekend from the Harvard Business Review regarding how to combat workplace cynicism and it seems that this saccharine politeness plays a large role in perpetuating the negative undercurrent of which I am just sick-to-death, that runs rampant in so many libraries – public, academic and special alike. The commenter who called it a “national sickness” is right; luckily, IMHO, as long as there are a few of us who stop allowing it to continue, I think we can make some headway. I intend to continue not giving in to that element, and trying to lead by example. Kudos to you for taking a stand!

Mark

Good for you, Rochelle! And I agree. I have said similar things before, but you said it more eloquently, of course.

By the way, if you are looking for any sort of theoretical basis for our over niceness, or our "national sickness," you ought to check out M.P. Baumgartner's The Moral Order of a Suburb." One of the most frightening books I have ever read--having grown up in the burbs--but it explains a lot.

rochelle

Oh, you and my husband, Steve--the smartass brigade! After he read the post, he came up to me and gave me the cheese-smile and said the same thing. But, thank you for getting it out of the way. In addition the hubby told me that I was addressing "a national sickness."

Steve Lawson

:) That's really nice.

;)

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